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Meet the Press Transcript - October 12, 2014
CHUCK TODD:
This morning on Meet the
Press, the Ebola outbreak. A second case in the United States. An
infected healthcare worker tests positive for the virus after treating
Thomas Eric Duncan, the very first person to die of Ebola in this
country. The politics of fear.
THOM TILLIS:
We've got an Ebola outbreak. We have bad actors who can come across the border...
JOE BIDEN (ON TAPE):
We will follow them to the gates of hell.
CHUCK TODD:
But after hundreds of U.S. air strikes, the terror group is still gaining ground.
RICHARD ENGEL:
So you’re outgunned? ISIS is better off.
IDRIS NASSAN:
Of course...
CHUCK TODD:
In my exclusive
interview with Susan Rice, the president's national security advisor,
I'll ask her whether we need a new strategy. And gay marriage is now
legal in the majority of states...
Is it time for conservatives to surrender in the culture wars?...
the first person-to-person transmission in the United States. And a
reminder, this is a health care worker who treated Thomas Eric Duncan...
MARK POTTER:
It sounds like that exact contact occurred on Duncan’s second visit to the hospital, which began here September 28th...The worker came in to the hospital Friday complaining of a low-grade fever, was isolated and then sent aside for testing. Treatment has now begun...
Further tests will be conducted by the CDC in Atlanta to confirm this finding...
The worker reportedly was wearing protective clothing at that time and was considered low risk, but has now tested positive...
the hospital itself is shutting down its emergency room right now...
CHUCK TODD:
Dr. Anthony Fauci of NIH. Dr. Fauci, let me just begin. A healthcare worker treating the second time, all the precautions we assumed that Dallas Hospital was taking. This has to be a little bit of a greater concern because it was when precautions were being taken...
DR. ANTHONY FAUCI:
what obviously happened unfortunately is that there was an inadvertent breach in protocol...
We have experience with Ebola dating back to 1976 with 24 outbreaks in Africa...
CHUCK TODD:
all of us in the media, you guys in the medical community have been telling them, "This is not something, you don't have to fear an Ebola patient. It's not going to spread in the community."...
DR. ANTHONY FAUCI:
We're still quite confident because of our ability to reach out, do the contact tracing, and isolate people who are infected, that we won't have a public outbreak. That's a different thing than an individual healthcare worker unfortunately getting infected...
CHUCK TODD:
It seems as if there's
almost this, many nations are reacting the way we're seeing actually
public officials, some of them here, acting, which is, "No, no, no, no,
just shut down the borders. Shut down flights." Is shutting down flights a
viable option?...
DR. ANTHONY FAUCI:
That would be counterproductive...
the best way to protect Americans is to completely suppress the epidemic in West Africa...
if it moves out of West Africa, like, an individual person on a flight
going to the U.K., going to Paris, going to Dallas, coming to
Washington, the capability of doing the contact tracing and suppressing
it will prevent an outbreak, whether it's here or in the U.K. or in a
European country...
CHUCK TODD:
DC Dulles, Atlanta Hartsfield, Newark, and Chicago’s O'Hare also...
HELENE COOPER:
Well, I came into
Dulles. The really interesting thing was that just getting into the
Liberian airport, you can’t even get into the grounds of the airport in
Liberia without getting your temperature taken. My temperature was taken
three times at Robertsfield airport..
I
had to wash my hands with chlorine, with bleach. You do that all the
time now before entering any public building in Liberia...
we don’t touch anymore in Liberia...
I got my temperature taken again before I went into the terminal. There
were five healthcare workers, with the goggles, and the masks, and the
gloves...
They removed the gloves and put on a new pair. And then right before the flight took off, my temperature was taken again...
SARA FAGEN:
won’t be an Outbreak in the United States...
ROBERT GIBBS:
how to get out of that protective clothing...
bolstering the public health infrastructure...
TOM BROKAW:
a lot of panic that is being stoked by a concentration of a portion of
the mass media about cases that really don’t amount to much...
CHUCK TODD:
8,000 cases, 4,000 deaths...
We're officially fighting two wars, one against Ebola it seems, and of course, one against ISIS...
it's becoming increasingly clear that a brutal and lengthy campaign is just beginning...
many are asking whether the war can be won without a significant
commitment of ground troops by the U.S. or key allies like Turkey...
The first American bombs hit ISIS on August 8th. Now, 65 days later, the
United States and allies have launched more than 400 air strikes in
Iraq and Syria...
there are serious doubts now about the strategy as ISIS continues its advance...
BRIAN WILLIAMS:
Tonight, another key city is on the brink of falling.
CHUCK TODD (V/O):
Turkish troops have been sitting on the other side watching, but not fighting. The United Nations says thousands could be massacred if Kobani falls...
The U.S. underestimated ISIS and overestimated our allies.
VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN:
Our allies in the region were our largest problem in Syria...
RICHARD ENGEL:
They do not seem to be degraded at all...There are enormous contradictions in the U.S. strategy that are becoming more apparent every day...
The U.S. spent years and years and billions of dollars to build the Iraqi army, only to watch it collapse and hand over so many of its weapons. ..
TOM BROKAW:
I was in Berlin last
weekend. I was there with former secretary of State Jim Baker, and Henry
Kissinger, as you see. We were there for the fall of the wall, which
was 25 years ago. And because it's the 25th anniversary, obviously, and
because Baker was receiving the Kissinger Prize from the American
Academy in Berlin...
JAMES BAKER:
Tom, I think the only
thing that offers much hope is if we could pull together in a true
international coalition of countries, we should go 100% all out to
defeat the radicalism and the terrorism that's arisen in the Middle
East. But you're not going to get it done unless you bring the rest of
the world together behind it...
TOM BROKAW:
And what is the role of our Arab allies, like Saudi Arabia?
JAMES BAKER:
Well, we have to have our Arab allies involved in the fight...I wouldn't be at all surprised if Iran was not helping us quietly deal with some of this...
TOM BROKAW:
Secretary Baker raises
the possibility of Iran becoming more involved. Our closest ally in the
Middle East is Israel, obviously. And BB Netanyahu does not pass up an
opportunity to declare Iran the kind of evil empire. He's terrified
about their nuclear capacity...
HENRY KISSINGER:
basically, as a country, Iran is a natural ally
of the United States...
JAMES BAKER:
Nothing
really happens unless there's United States leadership...
HENRY KISSINGER:
Borders, government, and religious faith are all contested at the same time...
JAMES BAKER:
the United States
of America has faced far greater challenges in the past than we face
today...
CHUCK TODD:
I'm joined now by Susan Rice, national security advisor to President Obama...
SUSAN RICE:
We're not in
coordination or direct consultation with the Iranians about any aspects
of the fight against ISIL.
It is a fact that in Iraq, they also are
supporting the Iraqis against ISIL.
But we are not coordinating. We're
doing this very differently and independently.
Our coalition is
comprised of some 60 countries...
CHUCK TODD:
right now, does it feel as if we're degrading and destroying
ISIS?
SUSAN RICE:
Yes, Chuck. We are in
the midst, in the early stages, as you-- acknowledged, of what is going
to be, as President Obama said, a long-term effort...American people need to understand that our aim here is long-term degradation...
CHUCK TODD:
The implication here is that the Iraqi troops aren't working.
SUSAN RICE:
CHUCK TODD:
Let's go to Turkey.
President Erdoğan has basically said he's not going to commit Turkish
forces until he sees a strategy that combats both ISIS and Assad in
Syria...
SUSAN RICE:
train the moderate Syrian opposition forces. So that is a new commitment that they have now joined Saudi Arabia in giving the go-head for that important contribution. In addition, they have said that their facilities inside of Turkey can be used by the coalition forces, American and otherwise, to engage in activities inside of Iraq and Syria...
the concept of a buffer zone or a no-fly zone is something that Turkey has been interested in for almost three years now. We don't see it at this point as essential to the goal of degrading and ultimately destroying ISIL...
we are not going to be in a ground war again in Iraq...
CHUCK TODD:
Are you convinced that Kim Jong-Un is still the leader of North Korea?
SUSAN RICE:
We have not seen any indications
of a transfer of power...
CHUCK TODD:
next,
gay marriage is becoming legal in more and more states. Could the
cultures war now become a weapon for the Democrats?...
couples across the country have been tying the knot after a series of
court rulings at both a national and local level made same-sex marriage
legal in a majority of states.
Many prominent Republicans have reacted
with anger.
But there are voices within the GOP arguing it's time for
the party to accept that the culture wars have been lost.
JERRY FALWELL:
We have a threefold
primary responsibility. Number one, get people saved, number two, get
them baptized, number three, get them registered to vote...
CHUCK TODD (V/O):
From the early 1980s,
when Jerry Falwell mobilized a new moral majority of evangelical voters,
and Ronald Reagan rode that energy to two political landslides, the
religious right has been a force inside the GOP...
PAT ROBERTSON:
We have a breakup of our family. We have a breakup of the moral foundations of our nation.
CHUCK TODD (V/O):
In 1988, televangelist
Pat Robertson stunned the nation with a second-place finish in Iowa. The
power of the evangelical vote caught even the GOP by surprise...
PAT BUCHANAN:
There is a religious
war going on in this country. It is a cultural war as critical to the
kind of nation we shall be as the cold war itself...
CHUCK TODD (V/O):
Bill Clinton won that
1992 election, but accepted a string of concessions on social issues
over his two terms. A Don't Ask Don't Tell, the Defense of Marriage Act,
and even welfare reform.
In 2004, Republicans effectively drove a wedge
between Democrats on religion, abortion, and gay rights...
PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH:
If you are a Democrat who believes that marriage should be protected from activist judges, I'd be honored to have your vote...
CHUCK TODD (V/O):
Ballot initiatives
banning same-sex marriage were proposed in 11 states. They passed with
an average of 70% of the vote. Illinois State Senator Barack Obama, who
had supported same-sex marriage on a questionnaire during his 1996
campaign, reversed course during his 2004 U.S. Senate bid...
PRESIDENT OBAMA:
We have a set of traditions in place that I think need to be preserved.
ELLEN DEGENERES:
I'm gay.
CHUCK TODD (V/O):
But the cultural sea change over the last decade has shifted the landscape on marriage more than any other issue...
This week's Supreme Court action, or non-action on marriage produced a loud silence...
SCOTT BROWN:
I'm pro-choice. I support continued funding for Planned Parenthood.
CORY GARDNER:
I believe the pill ought to be available over the counter, 'round the clock...
CHUCK TODD (V/O):
All of this is frustrating prominent social conservatives.
MIKE HUCKABEE:
At that point, you lose
me. I'm gone. I'll become an independent.
I'll start finding people who
have guts to stand. I'm tired of this...
CHUCK TODD:
David Brody, chief political correspondent for the Christian Broadcasting Network, and Kathleen Parker of The Washington Post.
When you hear Mike Huckabee say what he said, and you've talked to the
prominent members of the evangelical movement, they don't like the
surrender that many prominent Republicans indicated this week, do they?
DAVID BRODY:
They don't like it at
all. You know, look, many politicians see it as a political issue, gay
marriage, that is. Mike Huckabee and others see it as a principle...Eighty million, there are about 80 million evangelicals in this country. That puts 50 million evangelicals sitting on the sidelines...
CHUCK TODD:
You know, Kathleen, I'm
going to show some polls here. This stuff has moved whether it's on
abortion, whether it's on same-sex marriage, whether it's on marijuana
legalization. The culture wars have shifted to the left....KATHLEEN PARKER:
it mirrors what's going on in Rome right now with the Senate. The pope is trying to figure out how to do affirmative things for families pastorally, and the party is trying to figure out how to do things affirmatively without being condemnatory, without being judgmental, without being harsh...
DAVID BRODY:
there's all these "pastors and pews" events where Mike Huckabee, Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, Rick Perry, Bobby Jindal, all speaking in front of these influential evangelical crowd...
can these Christians actually go ahead and vote?...
not necessarily, Chuck.
CHUCK TODD:
You know Kathleen, he just ticked off a whole bunch of potential presidential candidates...
KATHLEEN PARKER:
abortion will remain a litmus test I think for any Republican running for a national office...
Marco Rubio and Mike Lee, you know, trying talking again about reforms
that steer away from the wedge issues, and focus on how can we help
families with tax reform and things like that...
DAVID BRODY:
we're in a culture war, there are a lot
of battles within that war. And I think the next battle you're going to
see is on religious liberty as it relates to pastors speaking out from
the pulpit. Think about this, Chuck for a second. If pastors are
actually speaking from the pulpit against gay marriage, a hate crime
potentially, is that the next wave?...
CHUCK TODD:
Now Kathleen, if
Republicans don't win the Senate, there are going to be prominent
leaders that say, "You know what, it's become Democrats won the culture
wars, and Democrats use cultural wedge issues to win."
KATHLEEN PARKER:
There's just no question that the Democrats need these cultural wedges more than the Republicans really do...
CHUCK TODD:
Very quickly, David, how much do you think marriage is going to be a litmus test in Iowa in 2016?
DAVID BRODY:
Oh, it will definitely be a litmus test. I don't think there's any question about that...
CHUCK TODD:
And a pro same-sex marriage Republican nominee, is that possible in 2016?
DAVID BRODY:
No, I don't think so at all...CHUCK TODD:
November 4th could be independence day. I'm going to explain why the fate of the Senate might not be decided by Democrats or Republicans...
Voters are frustrated and they're fed up right now with both parties. In fact, in our last poll, 68% said that they would accept new people with few ties to the political process...
look at how independent candidates are now shaking up the Republican map here.
Let's start of course in Kansas. The Democrat had no chance, so he left the race.
And now an independent candidate, Greg Orman now leads the incumbent Republican Senator Pat Roberts by ten points according to our latest polls...
So let's assume Orman wins and worst-case scenario for the Republicans, he caucuses with the Democrats. He changes the numbers, the Republicans suddenly need four to take control of the Senate.
Well, there's new chaos right now in South Dakota...
Mike Rounds, the former governor, up by double digits.
But recent polls have shown that we have a real three-way race. The Democrat nominee Rick Weiland, and Independent, former Republican Senator Larry Pressler. And guess what? Both of those guys could end up caucusing with the Democrats...
Republicans need to win five of the remaining six competitive races in order to get their majority. Independents shaking it up...
SEAN HAUGH (ON TAPE):
I really didn't want to
do this. But I couldn't stand the idea of walking to the voting booth
and just seeing the Democrat and the Republican on the ballot.
CHUCK TODD:
That's pizza
deliveryman turned libertarian candidate for the U.S. Senate in North
Carolina, Sean Haugh. He's got 7% of the vote in a recent poll. Enough
to possibly swing the election, siphoning votes from Republican Thom
Tillis and helping the incumbent here, Democrat Kay Hagan.
It's actually
the same story right now in Florida, that gubernatorial race with the
Libertarian Adrian Wyllie, who's suddenly getting double-digit support
in recent polls because people are so fed up with the negativity...
Here's the bottom line, folks. This is what we're learning. It's an angry electorate out there, they're mad at both parties...
these third-party candidates, are going to be making a lot bigger of a difference come November 4th than we thought...
MIKE HUCKABEE (ON TAPE):
We've seen our borders
routinely ignored. So if someone with Ebola really wants to come to the
U.S., just get to Mexico and walk right in.
THOM TILLIS (ON TAPE):
Ladies and gentlemen,
we've got an Ebola outbreak. We have bad actors that can come across the
border. We need to seal the border and secure it.
SCOTT BROWN (ON TAPE):
And that's one of the
reasons why I have been so adamant about closing our border, because if
people are coming in through normal channels, can you imagine what they
can do through our porous border?...
SARA FAGEN:
this Ebola outbreak is a serious national security issue...
CHUCK TODD:
You know, Robert, one
of the reasons where I think Republicans are going to this issue is they
want to keep nationalizing the elections...
ROBERT GIBBS:
the inconvenience of having an election during a public
health emergency gives you the types of--...
I think that could help somebody else other than the Republican in that race...
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